Talk:Dave Cockrum

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As much as I hate to object to words of praise for a guy who did great work and is no longer with us, some of the acclaims given here are exaggerated or misplaced.

For instance
Sure, he didn't create Wolverine, or Cyclops, or Jean Grey, Angel, Iceman and many other X-Men characters, but he made them cool, he made us love them.

Now, don't get me wrong, Cockrum's work made later work possible, but Wolverine was actually the least favorite character in the book until Byrne took the helm and he and Claremont gave the runt a real personality. Cockrum had little to nothing to do with that. Cockrum also had little to do with revising Iceman or Angel - they only appear in GSXM 1 and UXM 145-146 (Iceman) that Cockrum penciled. And his Cyclops isn't really that far from the originals. The characters people fell in love with at the time were Storm, Colossus, and Nightcrawler, the ones Cockrum did help flesh out the personalities of, and these are precisely the characters who go unmentioned here...

It was in this comic that Wolverine got his trademark mask,

Referring to GSXM1, and I'm not totally convinced that's true, but i don't own the Hulk books. I seem to recall seeing the cameo with his mask though.

He had a mask then, but Cockrum altered it. In the Hulk comics, he had only a small black piece over his eyes that barely flicked away from his face, whereas Cockrum's depiction had the larged black "v" that we all know today. -- Stovaa Drakon 15:54 10/01/2007 GMT

it was in this comic book line that it was revealed to us that he was fluent in Japanese

Ah, the real problem with this sentence - Wolverine's fluency in Japanese isn't revealed until UXM 118, well into Byrne's run on the X-Men. Cockrum had nothing to do with it.~ Not that as presented its false, but it makes the false implication that Cockrum was responsible.

This isn't solely a problem with the quoted bits. I've already footnoted the description of the contents of GSXM1 which implied he penciled the featurettes - he didn't, it was probably Werner Roth, though i'd have to check. I know no one means to lie by implication, but inclusion of things on a penciler's page is going to suggest they did it. --Squirrelloid 16:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)